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Woman Lobbies LCMS
Commission About Removing 'Men' From Creed
By: Rev. Jack Cascione |
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Tammy Haga writes:
"I decided to call SP Kieschnick to see what he thought about the
possibility of the word 'men' being taken out of the Nicene Creed. I
was informed that President Kieschnick will be either in meetings or
traveling for the next several months and that getting a hold of him may be
quite difficult. I was then told that I could speak to his assistant.
However, I was only able to leave a message since he also was busy.
Later that day I received a call from President Kieschnick's assistant who
did not want to answer the question about the proposed change in Nicene
Creed. Kieschnick's assistant directed me to call the Commission on
Worship.
While I was unable to get a hold of any of the leaders in the Commission on
Worship, I was told by the secretary that the suggestion was brought up to
omit the word 'men' from the Creed. Recently however, they have been
receiving a lot of phone calls rebuking this suggestion. Because of
this, the office of the Commission on Worship feels that the suggestion will
not pass. The meeting for the final decision will be held in two more
weeks and will be posted on their website.
It seems calling does help matters. Everyone should call them with
their concerns about this issue. If we don't speak up, I fear that
their tampering with the Creed will go through. Since this has not
been voted on as yet, I would encourage people to call the Commission on
Worship at 1-800-248-1930 and register their opinion"
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Reclaim News Writes:
Changing the Nicene Creed from, "who for us men" into "who
for us," introduces the acceptance of feminist theology and logic into
our worship our understanding of who God came to save. This must
inevitably change the identity of Who came to save us.
Once we accept the premise that feminist theology is valid there is no way
to argue against all its conclusions. Either the entire Bible is the
Word of God or it is not. Either Jesus is true man and true God or He
is not. Either all men fell because of Adam or they did not.
God did not say that Eve was the final cause of the fall, but that Adam was
the final cause of damnation, even though Eve was also guilty. Adam
was ultimately responsible. God does not hold Adam and Eve equally
responsible because Adam, the man, is a higher human authority and has a
higher responsibility before God than does Eve, the woman. The Bible
does not teach equality between men and women regarding their responsibility
before God.
Romans 5:12 states: "Wherefore, as by one MAN sin entered into the
world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all MEN, for that all have
sinned."
The Bible teaches that all men fell because of Adam. Adam brings the
human race to the grave, not Eve, even though Eve also sinned. If only
Eve had sinned Adam had more ribs.
The first virgin birth was Eve born from Adam, hence in English it says
"woman" or from the womb of man. The great chiasm or
reversal is that Eve came from a man; therefore Christ must come from a
woman by virgin birth. The Bible leads us from Adam to Eve and then from
Mary to Christ. Christ is the new Adam.
As Adam was overcome by the devil with fruit from a live tree, so Christ
overcomes the devil with his sacrifice on a dead tree. Christ had to
be not just human, but also a man.
The suggestion that the Nicene Creed can be changed because gender does not
matter means that Christ's and Adam's gender are not significant. All
people are descendants of Adam, as was Eve. Adam was set up by God as
the earthly father-creator to be a reflection of God the heavenly
Father-Creator.
The male gender is maintained in Roman's 5:12 in order to demonstrate the
total salvation achieved by Christ. The phrase, "who for us
men" must be maintained in order to confess God's order of creation and
salvation. The Christian religion must not be brought down to the
level of a pagan, female fertility cult.
Without the male gender, Roman's 5:12 would read: "Wherefore, as by one
person (man) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death
passed upon all people (men), for that all have sinned."
Yes, all people sin but men bear the greater responsibility because Adam was
created first. Jesus is true man, not just true person!
"Who for us men" ultimately signifies all people, but also
maintains the more complete explanation that the sin committed by the one
male has been removed from all the males and consequently all people.
By one man came sin and by one Man came salvation.
The relationship before God between Adam and Eve is to be maintained between
husbands and wives until the end of time.
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November 19, 2002 |